Picking a printer for your small press book

5 August, 2009

in Manga DIY

So, it’s Wednesday, time for a little how-to. If we can all drag our eyes away from the trainwreck that is the last post, we can talk about…

Printers

Finding the right printer for your home-grown comic or manga is a bit like finding true love. Well, OK, it’s nothing like that, really. It’s more of an art than a science, but I have some thoughts on it so I’ll ramble for a bit if that’s OK.

Price

Of course you care about how much the whole thing is going to cost. There’s two options for printing books: digital or litho. If you’re looking for less than 1000 books, digital is probably the way to go. I print my books digitally, so that’s what I’ll mostly be talking about.

Digital book printing is sometimes called print-on-demand or POD, and there’s a couple of internet companies specialising in this kind of thing, including Lulu, and, in the US there’s Comixpress and Kablam, who specialise even further into POD specifically for comics. For a while, it made some sense for us in the UK to use Comixpress or Kablam, but the way the dollar/pound relationship’s been going, I don’t think that’s currently a good idea. Lulu are quite user-friendly and allow you to do it all yourself online. However, if you’re looking for more than say, 20 copies, you can probably get a better price elsewhere.

But where? I hear you ask. I don’t know of any other POD printers. That’s because, secretly, a lot of POD printers don’t advertise to you as such. They just think of themselves as commercial printers. If you Google “book printers” or “brochure printing” or some such, however, you will find lots of places that can do what you need, including local(ish) ones. You’ll probably have to ask them for a quote, and it’s worth asking a couple of them. I have found a great variety in how much printers charge for the same set of books.

The other way is to look in your local area for printing and copying places, or print and design places. Most cities have several. Again, they can vary wildly in how much they’ll charge, so go in beforehand, and ask them how much it will be. Generally, local places are good for floppies (10 – 30 pages) and for small quantities (20 – 50).

Speed and delivery

When you’re going around asking for quotes, you may also ask how long it would take them to deliver the books. When I need something printed right-now-this-week I generally go to my local print shop. They’re pricey, but they can deliver in a day or so. By contrast, some printers can take weeks and weeks, especially if it’s a bigger book they’re printing.

If you’re planning to sell the books at a particular event, or you want them before Christmas or your friend’s birthday, talk to your printer about your deadline, and mention it every time you have any contact with them. If you’re like me, you might think well, they said they’d deliver by this week, so it would be annoying if I bring it up again, but it seems you really need to err on the side of annoying if you want to see your books on time. That has certainly been my experience, and I hear the same from others.

Get them to agree to your deadline, and keep checking they’re on track. Those sad looking guys at the convention who had a table but no books? They’re not stupid. They just took their printer at their word. Try not to let it happen to you.

Service and hassle

You can’t really get the scoop on this beforehand, but it makes a huge difference to have a printer that actually cares about customer service. Sometimes, things don’t go quite right, or you have to make changes at the last minute, or you want more or fewer books than you thought. I’ve worked with one printer who treated me like a pain in the backside rather than a paying customer. Even though they delivered me really shiny, pretty books at a very good price, I stopped working with them because it just wasn’t worth the headache.

I’m not going to call them out on the blog, but you can e-mail me if you insist on finding out who they are. This is one of the reasons you should be making friends with other people doing the small press thing: so you can ask them about their experiences with printers. The service level is really important, and they won’t state that on their websites. Do keep in mind that any business makes mistakes, and it’s probably unfair to blacklist a printer because they didn’t do this that or the other. But the way they handled the mistake once it was pointed out to them is something you can judge them on.

Think of how you like to be treated in restaurants. Did they apologise for getting the order wrong and give you extra garlic bread on the house? Good people. Did they shrug and ask what it was you wanted again while looking distracted? Go eat somewhere else next time. It really matters, and if they mess up once, they’ll mess up again.

Quality and proofs

The quality of the prints is a big deal too, of course. Probably the most important thing. And again there’s great variety and many variables. What’s the quality of their paper, how black is their black, how do they handle colour, what’s the binding like, etc.

A printer should give you a proof: a single copy of the book for you to check it’s all going to be the way you want it. Many printers will also send you samples: a different book, similar to yours, so you can see what the paper, colour, binding, etc is like. Samples are good, they can help you make the right decision, so get them if the printers you’re looking at offer them.

A recommendation

Wow, that was a much longer post than I was planning. Well done for reading all this way. As a reward, I will now tell you who my secret dealers are.

For my latest couple of books, Leek and Sushi and Codename: Pepsi I went to Fallen Angel Media. Don’t be too surprised if you’ve never heard of them. They’re local and fairly new, but they do a good job at a good price. More importantly, their service is spotless. On time, completely unfazed by last minute changes or sudden rush orders, and friendly too.

So I feel perfectly confident in recommending them. That said, you should probably still do your own research and check all the things I talked about above. But if that seems too daunting for you, and you’re in the UK, you could just go with these guys. It’ll probably be OK.

{ 17 comments }

1 Ness August 5, 2009 at 10:04 am

Thanks so much for that – the recommendations and the advice. Especially on book printing as I have no experience of that and need good advice!! I shall bookmark for future ref!

2 Emma Vieceli August 5, 2009 at 10:39 am

If you’re not after POD, I can add that we’ve found it really great to find a local printer and build up a relationship with them. If you’re going to be printing through them a lot, having someone fairly close and who you can pop in and talk to is really good. So research your own area, there may well be the perfect printer for you just down the road! ^_^

3 WRH August 5, 2009 at 4:01 pm

Last time I checked the best value printing I could find was in the USA. You could get stuff printed there and ship it back here and it would still cost less than getting it done here. Especially for graphic novels. It worked out at about £2.00 for the books printed, shipping included about £3 a book. This was a few years back now though.

For reference all prices here are for your standard size graphic novel with 200 pages and colour covers.

There are some good value printers to be had in the UK. But some will rob you so be warned, I had one guy in Leeds going quoting me like 5 grand for 200 books. Hel’s printer was about the best at £5.50 a book in Bradford, that’s the best price I could get within 50 miles of where I lived.

My uncle prints books also, he’s got his own miniature factory inside about three sheds at his home in Kent. The best quote he could give me was £7 a book. No favours for family even. A guy has got to make a living though. Lord knows with all his bloody kids. :D

Within the UK I’ve had quotes working out at £7 – £8 on average for 200pg GN’s. Very few seemed to want to do it for less than that.

When you consider Tokyopop sells their books for no more than £6 it’s be competitive in price.

The best I got around 2006 was £3.50 a book, and that was in Cambridge. Still plenty of room to make a profit and close enough to make inspections. :)

Sadly the project I got all this info for never took off. But working in the print trade helped me out, I could spot the good deals when they were available.

Some printers are hard to find, so there are quite a lot of good deals out there that remain hidden.

If I were in the big time though, I think I’d definitely outsource abroad. I know I’ve been a victim of that in my own job but when you consider the costs, it’s worth it for the big player. Small pressers should seek the best they can get within driving distance, I consider this anywhere within 200 miles I’m willing to pick up from.

4 WRH August 5, 2009 at 4:11 pm

lol I forgot to say, it’s a great article Willie. Just my cup of tea. :)

Also before I forget you can also save money by doing the pre-press yourselves. You can do this with QuarkXpress, or Indesign. They cost a lot though. Best way to get an non-knock off version of Indesign is to get the creative suite.

I got the CS2 creative suite a few years ago just for the purpose of doing comics (which never happened, it got used to make manuals for work instead). The suite cost me £700 but I got Photoshop, Illustrator and Indesign with it. Not bad considering these programs can cost as much alone.

Or you can try some free alternatives. There was one example that springs to mind but I don’t remember the name of it. Google my help you find opensource alternatives. If you’d rather let the printer handle it then it doesn’t matter but it may save on costs.

5 Willie August 5, 2009 at 7:26 pm

“This was a few years back now though.”

Key point. Sorz but I got to disagree with you. When I first calculated the costs for Amaranth Comixpress was the best offer I got. Six months later when I was actually ready to go to print they were no longer competitive.

A 200 page book for £2 to £3 a copy is perfectly possible in the UK. I sell Leek and Sushi for £6, and I don’t lose money on that. ;)

6 WRH August 5, 2009 at 8:02 pm

Things change. Especially printers, I mean look at the place I work, two years ago it was full of machines and now 90% of it’s warehouse. :D

I wonder if said credit crunch would have anything to do with printers being will to charge a bit less to get more work?

If times we’re better they’d maybe charge more again.

7 Mongoose August 5, 2009 at 8:44 pm

For a lot of IndieManga’s larger books, we use Inky Little Fingers. UK based printing company, good print quality and free delivery within the UK. Origins is printed on quite high quality paper and stuff, prefect bound, matt laminated cover, 100 pages, works out about £2.80 a copy, and that’s for a very small print run of 100 copies. If you used the cheapest paper options and did a bigger print run, you could get it down a fair bit cheaper than that.

For smaller books and prints, we usually use local printers. Printing is a lot cheaper these days because digital printing is widespread. It’s an absolute boon for small press groups!

8 Willie August 5, 2009 at 8:52 pm

Comments may take a half day to appear because of, erm, the situation. Please don’t let it put you off, I value your input, recommendations and examples.

(eg. Yes, inky little fingers! Never done books with them, but I’ve worked with them for some fliers. Good quality colour prints.)

9 Destraudo August 5, 2009 at 9:07 pm

Wow great link, sounds like a good deal to me.

A5 book, Colour cover 170gm gloss (2 sides), 202 internal pages B&W 80gm, Perfect bound.
Unit cost = £3.20

LULU cant touch that price unless you order 25 or more copies and use cheap paper that means books can only be shipped from US.

10 Yakumo August 6, 2009 at 10:52 am

“if you’re looking for more than say, 20 copies, you can probably get a better price elsewhere [than Lulu]”
I was wondering if that shouldn’t be “for less than 20 copies”? My fairly recent notes recommend Lulu from 50 copies and up, stapled or perfect bound.

I agree prices vary and change a lot and it pays to go back and check. Since last year, Comixpress’ price for black ‘n white has gone up considerably while their price for colour has gone down. There are also surprising variations in prices for certain sizes or certain page counts.
I wish it weren’t such a hassle to determine US POD shipping costs without having to practically place an order…

11 Willie August 12, 2009 at 7:21 am

Huh, really? Maybe Lulu changed their pricing structure recently too, last time I checked their bulk discount didn’t really make a dent.

But I guess that underlines the most important point: check different places out. And, yes, getting a shipping quote out of Comixpress is like pulling teeth if my experience is anything to go by…

12 Yakumo August 12, 2009 at 10:53 am

I confirm that Lulu’s bulk discount is still fairly nonexistant. My “50 copies and up” recommendation is more because there seemed to be some invisible startup costs below that amount that make one’s local copyshop a cheaper option.
I must admit I’ve never checked prices below 30 copies though :P , hence my surprise.

Thanks for sharing your experiences ;) . I guess then it’s probably easier to estimate shipping costs by weighing a similar book and checking the US Postal Service website for prices, since that’s the one comixpress uses.

13 Marco August 21, 2009 at 12:00 pm

Thanks for all the info here guys, am in the process of finding a printer myself and have checked out most of the companies mentioned this week and here’s what i’ve found;

Lulu quoted me £1070 for 250 comics (36 page full color)

Ka-blam quoted me $780 DOLLARS for the same. At current exchange that works out as £470, awesomely competitive and if I did not have time pressure (never) i would really like to try them out but here’s the problem – $45 to ship per box of 50 comics, so another $225, but then when this arrives in the UK I would have to pay import tax, not sure exactly how much but around £150 I’m guessing. So all in all probably about £250 cheaper than Lulu and they’re a specialist comic printer, but the problem is time pressure and they cannot guarantee how long UPS can take to ship and with the back and forth of proofing hard copies I have to try and find somewhere else in the UK, am awaiting a quote from Fallen Angel and hope they can do the business.

Hopefully I will get round to using Ka-Blam on the next print run (assuming the hassle of the first doesn’t kill me :)

Will report back soon

14 Marco August 21, 2009 at 7:01 pm

Fallen Angel media quoted me £750 for 250 so we’re gonna give them a go, they don’t discount on a larger print run but still much better value than Lulu

15 Wil August 27, 2009 at 2:45 pm

I’ve currently got a comic with Ka-Blam (100 issues) and they seem to be very easy to deal with. We’ll have to see how hit I get for any import duty (sometimes you get lucky).

16 Wil September 25, 2009 at 4:33 pm

Just thought I’d update and say that my Ka-Blam order came through with no problems (and, maybe more importantly, no customs charges). They were very easy to deal with, prompt and the quality (both print and all-round finish) is excellent. If you’re after a comics POD and can weather the £-$ rate plus extra shipping I’d definitely recommend them.

17 Karletta Dionysiou December 9, 2010 at 2:00 am

I’ve been ringing and running to get a book edited and printed before xmas – one week deadline!

I must say Print-On-Demand (UK) has been the only one’s willing to “play”. Thanks Dave

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